It's important to move as many healthcare providers as we can to our side as fast as possible. The easiest people to switch are the neutrals. Let us know how you did it.
Recent lunch meeting with pediatric cardiologist friend of mine went like this:
Pre-jab, one or two cases per year of myocarditis. Now, half his waiting room.
Tells parents they are “studying” the causality.
Refers them to infectious disease specialist for discussions on their other children.
Admits he and about 50% of his colleagues know what’s going on but are too terrified to speak out for fear of retaliation from hospitals and state licensing boards.
Other 50% don’t want to know, don’t care and/or are reveling in the cognitive dissonance (like Dr. Harvey at Stanford) and/or letting loose their authoritarian demon.
I have witnessed two deaths in our ED which occurred shortly after vaccinations -- one due to stroke and the other due to heart attack. Pointing out this fact to those around me, AND pointing out the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude of the medical staff, seems to make a dent.
The timing of this is excellent. We are about to present our position paper to our state dental society and then on to the ADA regarding their censorship of scientific discussion and their stance that it is NOT unethical to deny dental treatment to an unvaccinated person. We were supposed to meet in person on Jan 14th but now the head of our state dental society has requested a Zoom only meeting because of Omicron. I am losing hope that we will have the ability to persuade them, to open their eyes, to see a change of heart.
Thank you to all your readers posting ideas on how to get through to these people. Mass Psychosis is real!
Their own vaccine injury can switch people of course. But they may not recognize that their new health problem is vaccine-induced. If a health problem is on VAERS, point out the possibility that their new health problem could be a vaccine injury.
I'm a physician. Of all health care workers, physicians are by far the most entrenched in their beliefs. Their emotional and intellectual sunk costs outweigh the financial ones but they create an enormous and nearly impenetrable wall. Use the Socratic method - ask questions (that you know the answers to). Use humor. Tread gently and slowly - do not send them a bunch of links to 2 hour videos and lengthy screeds. Avoid anything that is sensational or looks conspiratorial. Stories or videos of vaccine injured kids do not help - they're "anecdotes" and summarily dismissed. Show them official data and peer reviewed sources that support your position. Do some homework on methods of persuasion.
My entire blog is devoted to unmasking totalitarianism and awakening the sleeping before tyranny triumphs, so I try a different tack with every article and have had numerous readers report back with encouraging responses from those they’ve shared particular articles with.
Based on this feedback, it appears my fairy tale (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) has been the most successful at sidestepping people’s defenses due to the fictional format. Like “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” “The Wizard of Oz,” and other fables and fairy tales throughout history, it lays bare the artifice of the past two years while predicting the future we are headed toward—if we don’t stop it NOW.
I wrote this friend a lengthy letter compiling these and other resources she promised to explore after our meeting, and I will be publishing this letter at my blog in the near future.
The one thing that will work better than anything else is humor. If you want to make your blog speak to more people, find some talented comedians, hire them, organize them in daily brainstorming zoom calls, and mercilessly, relentlessly mock the hypocrisy of this plandemic. I have been debating friends, family and co-workers for almost two years, they don't care about facts, they are basing their beliefs on an emotion, fear. Facts don't matter to fear. Humor however diffuses it and takes away its power.
"8 Year Old Reads NyQuil Label, Discovers New Omicron Vaccine"
"CDC Lists 'Sudden' And 'Unexpected' As Most Likely Cause Of Death Over Last 6 Months."
"Pfizer Developing Vaccine To Protect Omicron From Natural Immunity"
"Fauci Explains mRNA: May Ruin Natural Antibodies"
"FDA Approves New Pregnancy Test That Delivers Results Slowly Over 55 Years"
"CDC Now Recommends Re-infection Every 6 Months To Maintain Natural Immunity"
"School To Relocate In Class Learning To Restaurant So Kids Can Safely Remove Masks"
People may mock this approach as juvenile, but there is a reason the military studies memetic warfare, it works. Remember the glorious NPC meme? It worked. We need more of that.
For just one example see the 2006 paper:
"MEMETICS - A GROWTH INDUSTRY IN US MILITARY OPERATIONS: AUTHOR: MAJOR MICHAEL B. PROSSER, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS"
Do they have kids? I shared risk/benefit analysis data on vaccine data for kids and that helped one couple I know get red pilled.
It seems like when it came to adult vaccine mandates, I couldn’t convince anyone within my circles — but when it started to touch on mandates for their kids, they seem to be more willing to listen to the data related to the harm that comes from vaccines. They were so quick to dismiss any information on harmful reactions from the vaccines when THEY were the risk. But the kids? Parental instinct usually kicked in they they paid more attention. There’s only been one couple I know that’s been truly red pilled, but Biden, CDC, and the rest of them are making it very easy as time passes and many of these conspiracies come true.
Now I know many who still won’t listen, even if it means their kids will get hurt — these parents are more “attention-seekers” and love the fact they can post about their child being vaccinated.
Hard for me to believe there are many neutrals or fence sitters in healthcare. Most are owned by hospitals who are financially co dependent on CMS. CMS gives its coercive barking orders and the rest is history. Those physicians who remain financially independent have maintained their sense of critical thinking. If you are trying to sway a hospital employee that’s a losing battle. I say that as a retired vascular surgeon with a thirty year career. I spent the last two years compelled to be a hospital employee and realized that there was only so much feces I was willing to eat.
Today most physicians follow a cookbook of treatment determined by hospitals at the approval of health insurance vultures and CMS. And at the behest of the kingpin financiers, Big Pharma. What a fascist recipe.
I am licensed as a doctor of chiropractic in a very blue-pill mandate-filled state, practicing integrative/functional/physical-rehab medicine.
And I, like most of you I would imagine can through down relevant research articles and metrics with the best of them.
I interact with allopathic physicians a fair amount and the only way I have ever found to pierce the veil of the "entitled knowledge" that only they posses (when it exists), is to ask questions.
And usually follow up with another question along the lines of "how is that working (effectiveness metrics)?
It is inevitably a lengthy process. I think it functions as a mirror that some... reflect upon after the conversation so that the next conversation is a tad more open.
Or sometimes... they even ask me a question!
The past 22 months has definitely lengthened the process.
I have however noticed in the last six months or so, physicians and nurses leaving big or university hospital systems in DROVES to start independent practices. And they are not only leaving because of mandates.
IMO, the best thing to do is get the TRUTH out there. I don't think anyone is convinced externally -- it comes from within. I believe people come to their own conclusions...but they need to be exposed to the TRUTH!
For myself, a lot of my peers started to .... wake up... on their own with no intervention needed when British Columbia, Canada locked down over the Christmas and New Years Holidays in the most bizarre of ways and just reading the symptoms. For example "Fever, headache, runny nose and sneezing". These symptoms are not life threatening, do not require hospitalization and are very likely to require a family doctor or ER visit.
Really, a bottle of Nyquil treats all of these symptoms and is readily available at any drug store. Add a dose of zinc/vitamin d/vitamin c to boost the immune system pre-infection, and during infection, give a low-dose aspirin to help prevent inflammation or clotting chances, maybe a full aspirin if they get a headache, in the low likelihood it occurs and you're basically good to go.
A stadium with a 10k maximum capacity was allowed to continue hosting sports games at half capacity of 5k for months, while, kids sports tournaments held in smaller arenas of 200 people maximum were cancelled entirely. The BC Juniors hockey tournament was cancelled mid tournament. How would a kids sports tournament spread the disease, with about 1/25th the capacity faster than a stadium event?! Gyms were closed again too despite many gyms barely surviving the last lockdowns and following every measure asked of them to reopen.
A few health-minded colleagues were asking why the gym can't be allowed to remain open with 6 feet physical distancing, mask, and perhaps occupancy reduction via booking time slots online? Ex. I'll work out from 7:00pm - 7:30pm M, W, F while Sue works out 7:30pm to 8:00pm M, W, F and Gary books 6:30pm - 7:00pm Tues, Thrs, Saturday, etc....
The irony is gyms already had vaccination mandates. You needed to be vaccinated in order to exercise even though obesity is a risk factor. Additionally, all the players at the BC Juniors tournament and all of these children playing in sports tournaments were forced to be double vaccinated to be allowed to remain in the league/attend tournaments. The tournaments were removed because the vaccination doesn't work well against omicron? Who cares with the symptoms being so indistinguishable from a common cold, headlines have to be written asking "How can you tell if you have omicron of the common cold?". A doctor asked on globalnews in a live interview whether hospitalization rates are down relative to the case count due to vaccination campaign? Basically said in a long form, "across the world, across various countries, whether vaccinated or not, hospitalization rates are down suggesting omicron nature is less virulent. There are headlines asking 'how can you tell if you have a cold or omicron?' and the fact these articles exist is a testament to omicron's lack of strength."
I believe the vaccination-reveral, into lockdown, provincial health order, has made a lot of people start to question it. My boss was always "get vaccinated. Get vaccinated. Get vaccinated. Come on man, just get vaccinated" and now he was like "You know. This doesn't really make as much sense. Things don't seem to be adding up. Why this? Why now? What next?"
This felt like a natural betrayal. As many parents in the healthcare industry are kind of .... aggressive in their parenting/wanting their kids to be successful, many were athletes and went "What the hell?!" as they don't see a huge increase in case counts beyond what a typical seasonal flu season brings, not a huge surge of omicron, etc. Then they turn on the news and see the symptom list is harmless. Then they see double standards and go ...umm.... and then get called in for a double shift b/c unvaccinated workers were let go or their coworkers get sick with omicron....and then the government says positive-workers will be sent back to work if they are asymptomatic even when they test positive and go ...what the....? We are sending covid-infected workers to work?! b/c we fired healthy non-infected unvaccinated workers? and going into massive overtime spending? Why?!
I was awoke about a week into the lockdowns, seeing that it was mostly the old and sick that died.... Doesn't sound like a deadly disease that reduced life expectancy!
For my girlfriend, she believed the panic-demic but was sort of on the fence at times.
It was the highwire with Debra Conrad that woke her up... a physician assistant that was filing VAERS reports and got told to stop it.
I think it depends on the person, what ports are still open in their firewall? Backdoors only help the manipulators (even the ones on the anti jab side who push this gain of function BS)...
I have a Pediatrician I’ve worked with for years . He likes to refer me as the anti vaxxer. I kindly respond by saying no just pro science show me the science.
This whole covid mess I think is opening the eyes of many Drs. I like to point out ( nicely) How corrupt the CDC, FDA and yet this is where you get your talking points from.
I sent the power point presentation of Dr. McCullugh to this same Dr. and he tried to dismantle it. I said . Well Dr. McCullugh says all this information comes from the CDC and FDA so if you don’t believe them then who do you believe ?? Big Pharma who OWNS everything.. His text back to me I will save until the day I die! Unfortunately these Drs know they can be stripped of their lively hood if they go against the narrative.
I’m also very vocal with my nurses. I believe we had 13 just on my floor alone refusing the shot. There are more like minded around ,people just remain silent for fear. I don’t . Speak up you might be surprised who is on your side...
I try not to inundate people with too much information. I recently sent an excellent documentary called 'The Time is now/the truth is on our side' to several of my friends. These particular friends had not received a lot of info from me on their FB messenger. I simply asked them if they would mind watching the documentary abs telling me what they thought. Three friends came to me to tell me they had no idea how bad it was and they were thinking of not getting the booster. All three said they knew 'something wasn't right' but they did not realize just how messed up it really was! Be 'selective' in what you send people! Always review, check and watch before you forward items so you remain credible. Consider the audience before you send. Once they switch to the other side, tell them how awesome it is to see them acknowledge the tyranny.
I think it depends on what motives your target audience. If your trying switch health care providers it would be best to have someone that they look up/repect giving the message. This is why the Brownstone Institute important. Dr's listen to other more qualified doctors. I think this what the drug companies do when they promote there products.
Recent lunch meeting with pediatric cardiologist friend of mine went like this:
Pre-jab, one or two cases per year of myocarditis. Now, half his waiting room.
Tells parents they are “studying” the causality.
Refers them to infectious disease specialist for discussions on their other children.
Admits he and about 50% of his colleagues know what’s going on but are too terrified to speak out for fear of retaliation from hospitals and state licensing boards.
Other 50% don’t want to know, don’t care and/or are reveling in the cognitive dissonance (like Dr. Harvey at Stanford) and/or letting loose their authoritarian demon.
Good luck with these former colleagues of mine.
The stench is overpowering.
I have witnessed two deaths in our ED which occurred shortly after vaccinations -- one due to stroke and the other due to heart attack. Pointing out this fact to those around me, AND pointing out the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude of the medical staff, seems to make a dent.
The timing of this is excellent. We are about to present our position paper to our state dental society and then on to the ADA regarding their censorship of scientific discussion and their stance that it is NOT unethical to deny dental treatment to an unvaccinated person. We were supposed to meet in person on Jan 14th but now the head of our state dental society has requested a Zoom only meeting because of Omicron. I am losing hope that we will have the ability to persuade them, to open their eyes, to see a change of heart.
Thank you to all your readers posting ideas on how to get through to these people. Mass Psychosis is real!
Their own vaccine injury can switch people of course. But they may not recognize that their new health problem is vaccine-induced. If a health problem is on VAERS, point out the possibility that their new health problem could be a vaccine injury.
I'm a physician. Of all health care workers, physicians are by far the most entrenched in their beliefs. Their emotional and intellectual sunk costs outweigh the financial ones but they create an enormous and nearly impenetrable wall. Use the Socratic method - ask questions (that you know the answers to). Use humor. Tread gently and slowly - do not send them a bunch of links to 2 hour videos and lengthy screeds. Avoid anything that is sensational or looks conspiratorial. Stories or videos of vaccine injured kids do not help - they're "anecdotes" and summarily dismissed. Show them official data and peer reviewed sources that support your position. Do some homework on methods of persuasion.
My entire blog is devoted to unmasking totalitarianism and awakening the sleeping before tyranny triumphs, so I try a different tack with every article and have had numerous readers report back with encouraging responses from those they’ve shared particular articles with.
Based on this feedback, it appears my fairy tale (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/the-vapor-the-hot-hat-and-the-witches) has been the most successful at sidestepping people’s defenses due to the fictional format. Like “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” “The Wizard of Oz,” and other fables and fairy tales throughout history, it lays bare the artifice of the past two years while predicting the future we are headed toward—if we don’t stop it NOW.
Several of my readers have been buying copies of the paperback (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/get-the-book-the-vapor-the-hot-hat) and giving it to the asleep and awake, adults and children alike, and have reported extremely positive responses from all readers thus far.
My Letters series (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/archive?sort=search&search=letter%20to%20a) has also been extremely popular and provides my readers with an arsenal of peer-reviewed science and others compelling sources to argue their points with friends, family members, and Covidians.
The new Profiles in Courage series (https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/profiles-in-courage-dr-tess-lawrie/) I just launched features inspiring examples of bravery that people who have been bamboozled may respond more positively to than information they perceive as threatening their world view.
In personal encounters with friends, I have found Ron Johnson’s panel capturing stories of the vaxx-injured (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-in-d-c-expert-panel-on-medical-mandates-vaccine-injuries/) and the highlights reel (https://thehighwire.com/videos/who-will-help-us/) the most powerful on an emotional level. When one friend visited, I described many of the experiences shared during that panel and had both of us in tears. She feels great empathy for the victims, and it gave her pause about the motives and practices of BigPharma. Deborah Conrad’s original Highwire interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIydr2ZqZto) was also very compelling in this regard.
I wrote this friend a lengthy letter compiling these and other resources she promised to explore after our meeting, and I will be publishing this letter at my blog in the near future.
The one thing that will work better than anything else is humor. If you want to make your blog speak to more people, find some talented comedians, hire them, organize them in daily brainstorming zoom calls, and mercilessly, relentlessly mock the hypocrisy of this plandemic. I have been debating friends, family and co-workers for almost two years, they don't care about facts, they are basing their beliefs on an emotion, fear. Facts don't matter to fear. Humor however diffuses it and takes away its power.
"8 Year Old Reads NyQuil Label, Discovers New Omicron Vaccine"
"CDC Lists 'Sudden' And 'Unexpected' As Most Likely Cause Of Death Over Last 6 Months."
"Pfizer Developing Vaccine To Protect Omicron From Natural Immunity"
"Fauci Explains mRNA: May Ruin Natural Antibodies"
"FDA Approves New Pregnancy Test That Delivers Results Slowly Over 55 Years"
"CDC Now Recommends Re-infection Every 6 Months To Maintain Natural Immunity"
"School To Relocate In Class Learning To Restaurant So Kids Can Safely Remove Masks"
People may mock this approach as juvenile, but there is a reason the military studies memetic warfare, it works. Remember the glorious NPC meme? It worked. We need more of that.
For just one example see the 2006 paper:
"MEMETICS - A GROWTH INDUSTRY IN US MILITARY OPERATIONS: AUTHOR: MAJOR MICHAEL B. PROSSER, UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS"
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf
Thank you Steve, you are making a difference.
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Do they have kids? I shared risk/benefit analysis data on vaccine data for kids and that helped one couple I know get red pilled.
It seems like when it came to adult vaccine mandates, I couldn’t convince anyone within my circles — but when it started to touch on mandates for their kids, they seem to be more willing to listen to the data related to the harm that comes from vaccines. They were so quick to dismiss any information on harmful reactions from the vaccines when THEY were the risk. But the kids? Parental instinct usually kicked in they they paid more attention. There’s only been one couple I know that’s been truly red pilled, but Biden, CDC, and the rest of them are making it very easy as time passes and many of these conspiracies come true.
Now I know many who still won’t listen, even if it means their kids will get hurt — these parents are more “attention-seekers” and love the fact they can post about their child being vaccinated.
Hard for me to believe there are many neutrals or fence sitters in healthcare. Most are owned by hospitals who are financially co dependent on CMS. CMS gives its coercive barking orders and the rest is history. Those physicians who remain financially independent have maintained their sense of critical thinking. If you are trying to sway a hospital employee that’s a losing battle. I say that as a retired vascular surgeon with a thirty year career. I spent the last two years compelled to be a hospital employee and realized that there was only so much feces I was willing to eat.
Today most physicians follow a cookbook of treatment determined by hospitals at the approval of health insurance vultures and CMS. And at the behest of the kingpin financiers, Big Pharma. What a fascist recipe.
I am licensed as a doctor of chiropractic in a very blue-pill mandate-filled state, practicing integrative/functional/physical-rehab medicine.
And I, like most of you I would imagine can through down relevant research articles and metrics with the best of them.
I interact with allopathic physicians a fair amount and the only way I have ever found to pierce the veil of the "entitled knowledge" that only they posses (when it exists), is to ask questions.
And usually follow up with another question along the lines of "how is that working (effectiveness metrics)?
It is inevitably a lengthy process. I think it functions as a mirror that some... reflect upon after the conversation so that the next conversation is a tad more open.
Or sometimes... they even ask me a question!
The past 22 months has definitely lengthened the process.
I have however noticed in the last six months or so, physicians and nurses leaving big or university hospital systems in DROVES to start independent practices. And they are not only leaving because of mandates.
IMO, the best thing to do is get the TRUTH out there. I don't think anyone is convinced externally -- it comes from within. I believe people come to their own conclusions...but they need to be exposed to the TRUTH!
For myself, a lot of my peers started to .... wake up... on their own with no intervention needed when British Columbia, Canada locked down over the Christmas and New Years Holidays in the most bizarre of ways and just reading the symptoms. For example "Fever, headache, runny nose and sneezing". These symptoms are not life threatening, do not require hospitalization and are very likely to require a family doctor or ER visit.
Really, a bottle of Nyquil treats all of these symptoms and is readily available at any drug store. Add a dose of zinc/vitamin d/vitamin c to boost the immune system pre-infection, and during infection, give a low-dose aspirin to help prevent inflammation or clotting chances, maybe a full aspirin if they get a headache, in the low likelihood it occurs and you're basically good to go.
A stadium with a 10k maximum capacity was allowed to continue hosting sports games at half capacity of 5k for months, while, kids sports tournaments held in smaller arenas of 200 people maximum were cancelled entirely. The BC Juniors hockey tournament was cancelled mid tournament. How would a kids sports tournament spread the disease, with about 1/25th the capacity faster than a stadium event?! Gyms were closed again too despite many gyms barely surviving the last lockdowns and following every measure asked of them to reopen.
A few health-minded colleagues were asking why the gym can't be allowed to remain open with 6 feet physical distancing, mask, and perhaps occupancy reduction via booking time slots online? Ex. I'll work out from 7:00pm - 7:30pm M, W, F while Sue works out 7:30pm to 8:00pm M, W, F and Gary books 6:30pm - 7:00pm Tues, Thrs, Saturday, etc....
The irony is gyms already had vaccination mandates. You needed to be vaccinated in order to exercise even though obesity is a risk factor. Additionally, all the players at the BC Juniors tournament and all of these children playing in sports tournaments were forced to be double vaccinated to be allowed to remain in the league/attend tournaments. The tournaments were removed because the vaccination doesn't work well against omicron? Who cares with the symptoms being so indistinguishable from a common cold, headlines have to be written asking "How can you tell if you have omicron of the common cold?". A doctor asked on globalnews in a live interview whether hospitalization rates are down relative to the case count due to vaccination campaign? Basically said in a long form, "across the world, across various countries, whether vaccinated or not, hospitalization rates are down suggesting omicron nature is less virulent. There are headlines asking 'how can you tell if you have a cold or omicron?' and the fact these articles exist is a testament to omicron's lack of strength."
I believe the vaccination-reveral, into lockdown, provincial health order, has made a lot of people start to question it. My boss was always "get vaccinated. Get vaccinated. Get vaccinated. Come on man, just get vaccinated" and now he was like "You know. This doesn't really make as much sense. Things don't seem to be adding up. Why this? Why now? What next?"
This felt like a natural betrayal. As many parents in the healthcare industry are kind of .... aggressive in their parenting/wanting their kids to be successful, many were athletes and went "What the hell?!" as they don't see a huge increase in case counts beyond what a typical seasonal flu season brings, not a huge surge of omicron, etc. Then they turn on the news and see the symptom list is harmless. Then they see double standards and go ...umm.... and then get called in for a double shift b/c unvaccinated workers were let go or their coworkers get sick with omicron....and then the government says positive-workers will be sent back to work if they are asymptomatic even when they test positive and go ...what the....? We are sending covid-infected workers to work?! b/c we fired healthy non-infected unvaccinated workers? and going into massive overtime spending? Why?!
How about you tell us what switched you over?
I was awoke about a week into the lockdowns, seeing that it was mostly the old and sick that died.... Doesn't sound like a deadly disease that reduced life expectancy!
For my girlfriend, she believed the panic-demic but was sort of on the fence at times.
It was the highwire with Debra Conrad that woke her up... a physician assistant that was filing VAERS reports and got told to stop it.
I think it depends on the person, what ports are still open in their firewall? Backdoors only help the manipulators (even the ones on the anti jab side who push this gain of function BS)...
I have a Pediatrician I’ve worked with for years . He likes to refer me as the anti vaxxer. I kindly respond by saying no just pro science show me the science.
This whole covid mess I think is opening the eyes of many Drs. I like to point out ( nicely) How corrupt the CDC, FDA and yet this is where you get your talking points from.
I sent the power point presentation of Dr. McCullugh to this same Dr. and he tried to dismantle it. I said . Well Dr. McCullugh says all this information comes from the CDC and FDA so if you don’t believe them then who do you believe ?? Big Pharma who OWNS everything.. His text back to me I will save until the day I die! Unfortunately these Drs know they can be stripped of their lively hood if they go against the narrative.
I’m also very vocal with my nurses. I believe we had 13 just on my floor alone refusing the shot. There are more like minded around ,people just remain silent for fear. I don’t . Speak up you might be surprised who is on your side...
I try not to inundate people with too much information. I recently sent an excellent documentary called 'The Time is now/the truth is on our side' to several of my friends. These particular friends had not received a lot of info from me on their FB messenger. I simply asked them if they would mind watching the documentary abs telling me what they thought. Three friends came to me to tell me they had no idea how bad it was and they were thinking of not getting the booster. All three said they knew 'something wasn't right' but they did not realize just how messed up it really was! Be 'selective' in what you send people! Always review, check and watch before you forward items so you remain credible. Consider the audience before you send. Once they switch to the other side, tell them how awesome it is to see them acknowledge the tyranny.
I think it depends on what motives your target audience. If your trying switch health care providers it would be best to have someone that they look up/repect giving the message. This is why the Brownstone Institute important. Dr's listen to other more qualified doctors. I think this what the drug companies do when they promote there products.