A similar thought ran through my mind as I selected the “prevent 50 year old from taking vax”. Ultimately I think the vax is poisonous, yet we have friends who got vaccinated. That is is their choice, and thank God, so far they seem healthy and I want them to remain that way.
But if the mRNA is not ready for use, we need to stop it’s administration until the risks are accurately defined.
I stand ready to sign any petition / statement that you have Steve.
I am one of those who voted for all options. I'm not sure if it's truly because we are a "bunch of red pillers" - but more because of what we have personally observed. Maybe 3 or 4 months ago, I would have still been in agreement with giving the vax to anyone over 50, but since patients in my practices began receiving the boosters - things have gone down hill - rapidly. They may have escaped injury from the first 2 - but that 3rd shot was what seems to have pushed many of them over the edge. I can't tell you how many "frail elderly" patients I manage have ended up in the ED and hospitalized for cardiac and neuro events - almost immediately after getting a booster but it's been more than enough for me to take notice. My own 69 year old Aunt suffered a debilitating neurological event after her very *first* jab in the spring but it really wasn't recognizable to me as a vax injury until months later. It's not as if anyone in the medical profession was getting regular updates on vax injury, what to look for, etc so it's not surprising to me now that so many injuries have been missed or not reported. We focus a lot on teenaged boys and young men getting myocarditis after the first or second shot but I think the fact that what I'm seeing with the boosters causing injury is what has made me change my mind on giving these vaccines to *anyone*. Had I understood more about vax related injury - from the beginning, I'm sure I could report observations about injuries from 1st and 2nd shots in the elderly as well but because it wasn't - once the boosters came out I had a much better understanding of what was actually going on.
Jessica Rose discovered tinnitus, ear ringing, inner ear imbalance in the VAERs notes segment. Question is does that mean the central nervous system has been impacted for long term, and what else is lurking.
60 seconds? I did it in 15, could have done it in 5 if you had a 'Select All' box. With a performance like that, I believe I should have been admitted to MIT. Go get 'em Big Guy!
I am more than willing and will put my name on it! We just presented our position paper to the NC Dental Society and we are hoping to meet with the ADA soon. I know dentists don't seem to play a big role in the COVID narrative but our profession was complicit and for that I am embarrassed. We could have stood behind the brave doctors standing up and caring for patients. We did not have to take a knee to the lies. Here is our Open Letter ( a preamble to our much, much longer Position Paper). Our Commitment to the Hippocratic Oath!
Excellent! We PRACTICING dentists should have been at the forefront as we’ve been the leaders in infection control for decades. Public health, meanwhile, had NO experience.
I would love for you to join us in our effort to bring truth to the ADA. Likely we will have little impact but we are hoping to form a group that will position on the right side of history before our professions suffers from the same failures as the medical establishment.
Other than the mercury-amalgam thingy for 150+ years and annual x-rays always (worse back in the day before the equipment got better), I agree with you.
FYI, some dentists did stand-up, quietly anyway.
Closed for 3 months at the start of this, my dentist just rolled his eyes at the drama when I saw him next - had me rinse with H2O2 when I arrived maskless, and we went on with our visit as usual.
That said, we live rural, and he does it all start to finish, no techs or hygienists - and no masks unless he was actively working on me, which he did before this started.
Steve, I am a medical doctor in Tennessee and have been in private practice for 17 years. I am licensed in 3 states and board certified in my specialty and would gladly put my name on the statement.
Do you have to individually test-out in each state in which you practice, or is it mainly a combination of that and reciprocity agreements?
The wife and I used a telemed doc that was licensed in something like 40+ states. It seems as if he would have easily spent an extra 4 years of his life in test prep & testing if he were forced to go state by state.
There is a growing radical component to my discontent that wants these companies free from liability to sweat the prospect of nationalization. Similiarly, I'd like the 270 signatories that wanted Rogan off of Spotify to they themselves be cancelled for a probationary period. Sick of just playing defense and I'm usually a turn the other cheek kind of person. But I want these aggressive authoritarian gestures answered in kind.
And yet I'm still a moderate versus this community. I don't mind leaving mask mandates for a bit longer. Shoot I'm still nervous indoors at times. Just need a clearly delineated off ramp.
Just call it mask withdrawal, take it off indoors for a few minutes breathe and then put it back on, gradually increase the time unmasked...you can do it! ;0)
Masks protect against virus like a picket fence stops mosquitos. If the mask cannot be worn in a wildfire it will not stop a virus that is 100 times smaller than smoke particles. Worse than ineffective they are bad for you.. exhaling into a closed space that stays moist and dark just breeds icky things. Watch this industrial hygienists debunk mask or kill grandma from Steve's post in the fall.
Industrial Hygienist Tyson Gabriel reveals mistakes in the mask science that no one has seen before now. ( Industrial Hygienists are the worlds experts on exposure sciences. THE Respiratory Protection experts, that train doctors. These are the kind of folks you find hanging out at OSHA and NIOSH creating the safety protocols and equipment that Hospitals and Biolabs use.) IH's are trained to find and understand exposure points and collateral risks created by policy and processes. In this context you will understand the journey through this very eye opening presentation.
Clown world. Essentially they have to make new laws telling people it's legal to follow the existing old laws because so many people have gone loopy. All this while NY is setting up "Safe Injection" sites for opioids.
I think our fatal flaw is succumbing to "we have to do something, passing a new law that clarifies is the answer." For one, we don't have to pass anything new when we have a current structure in place, follow the current structure and we then recognize that WE DO NOT NEED TO ANYTHING. Yes, by not redesigning a law that is the unified theory of everything related medical practice we follow what we have, we'll be ok.
As with all "let's redesign a law because we're smarta than those before us" efforts, it opens up an opportunity to enable other practices that are at odds with the goals of freedom by introducing either complexities that only "the experts" can understand, or by masking an end result that is harmful. Let's look to the 2008 Financial Crisis as an example. We had law that prevented that crisis called Glass Steagall Act, and it was a simple law that said a financial institution could not be a bank and a trading institution, as they are at odds with guaranteeing the account holders safety with their funds. Gingrinch, Clinton and Congress gleefully repealed Glass Steagall in the 90s. So instead of a one liner that would have read "we hereby reinstate the Glass Steagall Act with all tenets and regulations stated therein", Congress cobbled together the Frank Dodd Bill which did nothing but preserve the nonsense of 2008.
That's the complexity we need to avoid, but the people who claim to be SMARTA than us charge forth like they are King Leonidas of the 300 but in reality are truly wimpy little Barney Fife, and the catastrophe is amplified.
Why are unvaccinated healthcare workers, that have religious exemptions, getting tracked by the government??!! Medicare and Medicaid dollars won’t be given to that hospital or clinic due to unvaxxed employees. It’s another angle to get rid of the unvaxxed and free thinking medical personnel. Wake up everyone!!!
Steve… I definitely support a group statement for stopping the vaccines ASAP… These shots reminds me of another well known medication… Thalidomide… How long did it take to pull this drug? 5 years?! How many babies were harmed/miscarriages/died or born with birth defects because they wouldn’t withdraw it from the market for use during pregnancy?? BIG PHARMA should NOT get to profit from other people’s suffering… EVER… 🔥🔥🔥
Done! Checked them all!!! Time for all states to make any state board of health (medical, nursing, pharmacy etc) answerable to the constitution as well as to their own ethics and standards. This shouldn’t have to be said! We are US citizens first!
I like the idea of "informed consent" where we the people are empowered to make our own decisions, have a right to the information we need to make those decisions and accept responsibility for those decisions we make.
That includes the "right to try" scenario.
The gazillion laws approach almost always creates unintended consequences.
A simpler solution like: People who lack a conscious don't get to hold positions of power in ANY institutions ever again would be better IMHO.
If an entrepreneur would develop a "predator detector" we could actually do this. In theory this could be done by simply running genetic data for predators/non-predators through a classification algorithm.
thanks everyone for the input. nearly everyone voted for all options so i have a bunch of red pillers here, but that is fine.
A similar thought ran through my mind as I selected the “prevent 50 year old from taking vax”. Ultimately I think the vax is poisonous, yet we have friends who got vaccinated. That is is their choice, and thank God, so far they seem healthy and I want them to remain that way.
But if the mRNA is not ready for use, we need to stop it’s administration until the risks are accurately defined.
I stand ready to sign any petition / statement that you have Steve.
Agreed, but then again, in life I've tended not to recommend poison to anyone - always been kinda funny that way.
I am one of those who voted for all options. I'm not sure if it's truly because we are a "bunch of red pillers" - but more because of what we have personally observed. Maybe 3 or 4 months ago, I would have still been in agreement with giving the vax to anyone over 50, but since patients in my practices began receiving the boosters - things have gone down hill - rapidly. They may have escaped injury from the first 2 - but that 3rd shot was what seems to have pushed many of them over the edge. I can't tell you how many "frail elderly" patients I manage have ended up in the ED and hospitalized for cardiac and neuro events - almost immediately after getting a booster but it's been more than enough for me to take notice. My own 69 year old Aunt suffered a debilitating neurological event after her very *first* jab in the spring but it really wasn't recognizable to me as a vax injury until months later. It's not as if anyone in the medical profession was getting regular updates on vax injury, what to look for, etc so it's not surprising to me now that so many injuries have been missed or not reported. We focus a lot on teenaged boys and young men getting myocarditis after the first or second shot but I think the fact that what I'm seeing with the boosters causing injury is what has made me change my mind on giving these vaccines to *anyone*. Had I understood more about vax related injury - from the beginning, I'm sure I could report observations about injuries from 1st and 2nd shots in the elderly as well but because it wasn't - once the boosters came out I had a much better understanding of what was actually going on.
Jessica Rose discovered tinnitus, ear ringing, inner ear imbalance in the VAERs notes segment. Question is does that mean the central nervous system has been impacted for long term, and what else is lurking.
Sorry to hear about your aunt.
60 seconds? I did it in 15, could have done it in 5 if you had a 'Select All' box. With a performance like that, I believe I should have been admitted to MIT. Go get 'em Big Guy!
I am more than willing and will put my name on it! We just presented our position paper to the NC Dental Society and we are hoping to meet with the ADA soon. I know dentists don't seem to play a big role in the COVID narrative but our profession was complicit and for that I am embarrassed. We could have stood behind the brave doctors standing up and caring for patients. We did not have to take a knee to the lies. Here is our Open Letter ( a preamble to our much, much longer Position Paper). Our Commitment to the Hippocratic Oath!
https://trueandfree.org/?p=3370
Excellent! We PRACTICING dentists should have been at the forefront as we’ve been the leaders in infection control for decades. Public health, meanwhile, had NO experience.
The ADA failed us miserably
I would love for you to join us in our effort to bring truth to the ADA. Likely we will have little impact but we are hoping to form a group that will position on the right side of history before our professions suffers from the same failures as the medical establishment.
Other than the mercury-amalgam thingy for 150+ years and annual x-rays always (worse back in the day before the equipment got better), I agree with you.
FYI, some dentists did stand-up, quietly anyway.
Closed for 3 months at the start of this, my dentist just rolled his eyes at the drama when I saw him next - had me rinse with H2O2 when I arrived maskless, and we went on with our visit as usual.
That said, we live rural, and he does it all start to finish, no techs or hygienists - and no masks unless he was actively working on me, which he did before this started.
Steve, I am a medical doctor in Tennessee and have been in private practice for 17 years. I am licensed in 3 states and board certified in my specialty and would gladly put my name on the statement.
Do you have to individually test-out in each state in which you practice, or is it mainly a combination of that and reciprocity agreements?
The wife and I used a telemed doc that was licensed in something like 40+ states. It seems as if he would have easily spent an extra 4 years of his life in test prep & testing if he were forced to go state by state.
These should be two separate items: STOP the vaccines for everyone. Revoke the EUAs.
Yup, exactly.
Thank you Mr. Kirsch for your time and efforts.
Done. That was easy 🤣
Board certified ob gyn 30 years. I cannot go to our yearly meeting, not vaccinated. I cannot believe all the sheep.
They’re not baaaaaaadddd!
I can't vote since I no longer have any google accounts (and won't be going back) but I would sign a document saying yes to all of these.
There is a growing radical component to my discontent that wants these companies free from liability to sweat the prospect of nationalization. Similiarly, I'd like the 270 signatories that wanted Rogan off of Spotify to they themselves be cancelled for a probationary period. Sick of just playing defense and I'm usually a turn the other cheek kind of person. But I want these aggressive authoritarian gestures answered in kind.
we offered to debate the 270. Nobody stepped up
And yet I'm still a moderate versus this community. I don't mind leaving mask mandates for a bit longer. Shoot I'm still nervous indoors at times. Just need a clearly delineated off ramp.
Dude. Seriously. Masks are WORTHLESS. But I’m ok if YOU want to wear one. Just don’t expect me to cater to your delusion of safety.
Fair enough. I think I need 6 more weeks.
Just call it mask withdrawal, take it off indoors for a few minutes breathe and then put it back on, gradually increase the time unmasked...you can do it! ;0)
love it. will give it a try. thanks
There is evidence that a majority of people that died during the spanish flu died of bacterial pneumonia and/or meningitis.
This likely would have been aggravated by widespread mask use.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/14/8/07-1313_article
If you want to go down a deeper mildly upsetting rabbit hole, there is this article, correlating experimental vaccines used in 1917:
https://fort-russ.com/2020/05/did-psychopath-rockefeller-create-the-spanish-flu-pandemic-of-1918/
Masks protect against virus like a picket fence stops mosquitos. If the mask cannot be worn in a wildfire it will not stop a virus that is 100 times smaller than smoke particles. Worse than ineffective they are bad for you.. exhaling into a closed space that stays moist and dark just breeds icky things. Watch this industrial hygienists debunk mask or kill grandma from Steve's post in the fall.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/do-masks-work
Industrial Hygienist Tyson Gabriel reveals mistakes in the mask science that no one has seen before now. ( Industrial Hygienists are the worlds experts on exposure sciences. THE Respiratory Protection experts, that train doctors. These are the kind of folks you find hanging out at OSHA and NIOSH creating the safety protocols and equipment that Hospitals and Biolabs use.) IH's are trained to find and understand exposure points and collateral risks created by policy and processes. In this context you will understand the journey through this very eye opening presentation.
https://rumble.com/vjt3qx-2-just-wear-a-mask-or-youll-kill-grandma-v2.html?mref=6zof&mrefc=2
I support IVM OTC.
NH just introduced a bill to do that. We should support this. If it passes that is a big win.
New Hampshire Seeks to Make Ivermectin an Alternative COVID Treatment Under Law
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/new-hampshire-seeks-to-make-ivermectin-an-alternative-covid-treatment-under-law_4228066.html
Ivermectin could soon be available without a prescription in New Hampshire pharmacies.
https://www.cengnews.com/news/ivermectin-could-soon-be-available-without-a-prescription-in-new-hampshire-pharmacies-204586.html
It sounds like they need some commentary from doctors that support it.
Any NH peeps over there that could weigh in might help?
Thank for what you do Steve
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Nebraska also passed a law to allow ivermectin as inpatient treatment at hospitals.
Isn’t that crazy that you need a law that directs hospitals to allow doctors to repurpose safe treatments and drugs?
Clown world. Essentially they have to make new laws telling people it's legal to follow the existing old laws because so many people have gone loopy. All this while NY is setting up "Safe Injection" sites for opioids.
I think our fatal flaw is succumbing to "we have to do something, passing a new law that clarifies is the answer." For one, we don't have to pass anything new when we have a current structure in place, follow the current structure and we then recognize that WE DO NOT NEED TO ANYTHING. Yes, by not redesigning a law that is the unified theory of everything related medical practice we follow what we have, we'll be ok.
As with all "let's redesign a law because we're smarta than those before us" efforts, it opens up an opportunity to enable other practices that are at odds with the goals of freedom by introducing either complexities that only "the experts" can understand, or by masking an end result that is harmful. Let's look to the 2008 Financial Crisis as an example. We had law that prevented that crisis called Glass Steagall Act, and it was a simple law that said a financial institution could not be a bank and a trading institution, as they are at odds with guaranteeing the account holders safety with their funds. Gingrinch, Clinton and Congress gleefully repealed Glass Steagall in the 90s. So instead of a one liner that would have read "we hereby reinstate the Glass Steagall Act with all tenets and regulations stated therein", Congress cobbled together the Frank Dodd Bill which did nothing but preserve the nonsense of 2008.
That's the complexity we need to avoid, but the people who claim to be SMARTA than us charge forth like they are King Leonidas of the 300 but in reality are truly wimpy little Barney Fife, and the catastrophe is amplified.
Why are unvaccinated healthcare workers, that have religious exemptions, getting tracked by the government??!! Medicare and Medicaid dollars won’t be given to that hospital or clinic due to unvaxxed employees. It’s another angle to get rid of the unvaxxed and free thinking medical personnel. Wake up everyone!!!
I’ve been a practicing board certified physician for 21 years and fully support a group statement.
Took the survey but why use or support ANYTHING by Scroogle??
Steve… I definitely support a group statement for stopping the vaccines ASAP… These shots reminds me of another well known medication… Thalidomide… How long did it take to pull this drug? 5 years?! How many babies were harmed/miscarriages/died or born with birth defects because they wouldn’t withdraw it from the market for use during pregnancy?? BIG PHARMA should NOT get to profit from other people’s suffering… EVER… 🔥🔥🔥
Done! Checked them all!!! Time for all states to make any state board of health (medical, nursing, pharmacy etc) answerable to the constitution as well as to their own ethics and standards. This shouldn’t have to be said! We are US citizens first!
I like the idea of "informed consent" where we the people are empowered to make our own decisions, have a right to the information we need to make those decisions and accept responsibility for those decisions we make.
That includes the "right to try" scenario.
The gazillion laws approach almost always creates unintended consequences.
A simpler solution like: People who lack a conscious don't get to hold positions of power in ANY institutions ever again would be better IMHO.
If an entrepreneur would develop a "predator detector" we could actually do this. In theory this could be done by simply running genetic data for predators/non-predators through a classification algorithm.